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General MKB => General Banter => Topic started by: art b on October 09, 2014, 11:24:42 AM

Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 09, 2014, 11:24:42 AM
got this yesterday ....(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)

murex 200 amp ,single phase,

it dident  look very big on ebag....(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

but its 26inches tall....(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)


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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Titsy on October 09, 2014, 01:37:19 PM
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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 09, 2014, 06:32:26 PM
it can only improve my welding ..(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

gave it a clean up ...it came with a roll of wire ..(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/artburge/artburge001/2df02203-a72b-4be6-bb16-a5f4ccd79eef_zps617fa094.jpg)



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there are alot of gubbins indide ...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/shame.gif)



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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 09, 2014, 08:42:40 PM
Looks usable!  (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/mechanic2.gif)

Does a 2-phase and 3-phase welder plug into 240 mains as well or are they hard wired? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/huh.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 10, 2014, 10:52:56 AM
you can use some 3phase as single phase, on a 13amp plug,

but for the higher settings they will pull 15 amps plus..

i suspect mine can be 3 phase...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Roadkill on October 10, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
So.

Whatcha making ?  (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/snacking.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 10, 2014, 11:23:45 AM
Quoting: art b
you can use some 3phase as single phase, on a 13amp plug,

but for the higher settings they will pull 15 amps plus..


If you did want to run a 3-phase welder as a 3-phase, how is it done? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/huh.gif)

What I mean is, is there a different connection like the 110V mains connectors? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Quoting: Roadkill
Whatcha making ?


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Finishing that bus so I can have a ride hopefully (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 10, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Quoting: Roadkill
So.

Whatcha making ?


vw welding..(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Quoting: Cunning Plan

If you did want to run a 3-phase welder as a 3-phase, how is it done?  

What I mean is, is there a different connection like the 110V mains connectors?  


you connect it to 3 phases...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
or as a single you use 1 phase and a neutral...
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Titsy on October 10, 2014, 01:30:47 PM
Three phase connector (but then you have to have a three phase supply and you only really get that on commercial premises...:
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/01/29/three_phase_coupling.jpg)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 11, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Quoting: Titsy
Three phase connector (but then you have to have a three phase supply and you only really get that on commercial premises...:

Quoting: art b
you connect it to 3 phases...
or as a single you use 1 phase and a neutral...



Aha, that's what I was wondering! (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/thumbsup.gif)


Next question, why are there 5 connections? I would have thought it would be 4: 1 for each phase and 1 neutral (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/dunce.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 11, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
One per phase
One neutral
One earth...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Although you don't always need a neutral with some three phase equipment..
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 11, 2014, 12:43:36 PM
Quoting: art b
One per phase
One neutral
One earth.


Ah, okay. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Quoting: art b
vw welding


Does that mean we can have an update on your Bus project thread then? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/pokey.gif)

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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 11, 2014, 03:05:17 PM
Quoting: Cunning Plan
Does that mean we can have an update on your Bus project thread then?  


done ..(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Titsy on October 11, 2014, 04:11:02 PM
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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on October 11, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 07, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
i have bought a bottle of argon gas mix  (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)

5000L of gas for £33

it will give around 8 hrs of welding time...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

may be having a go this weekend ...
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 07, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
Quoting: art b
5000L of gas for £33


Where do you store it:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/5000L-argon-gas-storage-balloon_1343326226.html?s=p
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on November 07, 2014, 04:10:38 PM
Quoting: Jamieg285
Where do you store it:


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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 07, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
Quoting: Jamieg285
Where do you store it:



as its stored at 230 bar

5m3  fits into a boc Y bottle (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Roadkill on November 07, 2014, 05:34:52 PM
Quoting: art b
5m3 fits into a boc Y bottle


Ah, but that's not technically 5000 litres.  (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/nono.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 10, 2014, 03:04:33 PM
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: art b
5m3 fits into a boc Y bottle


Ah, but that's not technically 5000 litres.  



well im led to believe a room that is 5.2 m3 ...will have 5000 l of air in it (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on November 11, 2014, 08:24:20 AM
Quoting: Roadkill
Ah, but that's not technically 5000 litres.  


Quoting: art b
well im led to believe a room that is 5.2 m3 ...will have 5000 l of air in it



RK, it's your turn now........... (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/pokey.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 11, 2014, 12:45:29 PM
I need a refund then, as my bottles only got 20lt in it (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Gas may occupy 5,000 litres of volume when released into the atmosphere, but clearly, under pressure, it's not 5,000 litres as it's in liquid form so is a fraction of that.

It's like saying that a full kettle holds 3,000 litres of steam . . . technically it does but there's other factors involved.

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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 11, 2014, 03:15:59 PM
Quoting: Roadkill
Gas may occupy 5,000 litres of volume when released into the atmosphere, but clearly, under pressure, it's not 5,000 litres as it's in liquid form so is a fraction of that.



so it is 5000 L of gas .. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 11, 2014, 03:17:26 PM
Quoting: Jamieg285
I need a refund then, as my bottles only got 20lt in it



unlikely ..
its a 20l bottle,... the amount of gas is considerably more (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
Quoting: art b
so it is 5000 L of gas ..


But the bottle doesn't contain gas (ie. a gaseous form) it contains a liquid (and not 5,000 litres of liquid).  (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 11, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
Quoting: Roadkill


But the bottle doesn't contain gas (ie. a gaseous form) it contains a liquid (and not 5,000 litres of liquid).  




ah... but i never said i had 5000L of liquid....(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on November 11, 2014, 10:07:35 PM
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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 11, 2014, 11:09:49 PM
Quoting: Cunning Plan

RK, it's your turn now...........



and .. you can wind ya neck in ....(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Cunning Plan on November 12, 2014, 08:22:39 AM
Quoting: art b
and Roadkill..  can suck my pecker ....


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Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 12, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Quoting: Jamieg285
I need a refund then, as my bottles only got 20lt in it



so... at the average gas  flow rate of 10 lpm, when welding, ..
you would have run out in 2 minutes (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 12, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Quoting: art b
so... at the average gas flow rate of 10 lpm, when welding, ..
you would have run out in 2 minutes


I've got mine set higher than that as I'm welding outside - 12-15 depending on the wind.
Title: picked up a new, old mig welder ....
Post by: art b on November 28, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
here she is with the gas bottle,
it has a handy 13amp skt for a gringer too...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/cool.gif)

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