Quoting: Roadkill
Do I really need adjustable ones ?
depends what you plan on doing with the car, personaly i would fit adjustables if you have the money as you can tweek the handling of the car the way you want rather than being stuck with a fixed setting
remeber though, the manufacturers have spent a lot of time getting the shocks right, if you adjust them with no clue of what you're doing you're only going to make it worse....
Basically $359 = £185 for the set of adjustables.
JWR wanted £180 for standard fronts alone and USless wanted £190+vat for fronts alone !!! (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/shame.gif)
If I can justify the adjustables I buy them . . .
Quoting: Roadkill
Do I really need adjustable ones ?
If you have to ask, I'm guessing no. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Would you notice the difference if they were adjusted?
I'm sure you'd notice the cash savings...
For that matter, would you ever be bothered to adjust them at all? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
I bought a set of non-adjustable Tokico shocks from US ebay. Saved a fortune over any quote for shocks over here.
Quoting: Pod
Would you notice the difference if they were adjusted?
I'm sure you'd notice the cash savings...
For that matter, would you ever be bothered to adjust them at all?
Yes and yes. I had adjustables on my 9000 and after some adjustment got the car to a point where the tyres became the weakest link in the handling which was solved by droppijng a profile and going wider from a 195/65 15 to a 205/55 15. From memory i had a couple of turns on the front and a single turn on the back
Quoting: 55starchief
the ultimate in handling
Maybe, but then you are looking at $550+shipping etc for just the rear shocks.
Compare that to $119 for a set of four normal ones. Yes, coilovers are better, but it depends on the budget primarily, and what the car will be used for afterwards.
Quoting: Pod
Maybe, but then you are looking at $550+shipping etc for just the rear shocks.
Compare that to $119 for a set of four normal ones. Yes, coilovers are better, but it depends on the budget primarily, and what the car will be used for afterwards.
that includes the rear springs which he was going to change as well for lowered
Quoting: 55starchief
that includes the rear springs which he was going to change as well for lowered
Already got the springs so the coilovers are a no-no.
Quoting: Pod
For that matter, would you ever be bothered to adjust them at all?
Good point - short-term, probably not . . . but If I'm doing all this then long-term probably yes.
I'd go with Tokico or Bilstein if you can afford them.
As for adjustables, personally, I don't think it's worth it for most people.
Most people set them to medium (5) and fit them.
As adjusting them often involves removing them hardly anybody bothers.
Plus, the adjustment point is a place where they can leak.
If you're really serious about it (ie you're gonna buy the right springs and bushes and other tubular bits) then fair enough otherwise I'd keep the money and spend it on something else as the generic setting of a non adjustable unit is good enough for most people.
The IROC with it's non adjustable standard Bilsteins was awarded the best handling car in america in the 80s.
If the car is largly stock in weight and so on then there's not much point deviating.
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
If you're really serious about it (ie you're gonna buy the right springs and bushes and other tubular bits) then fair
Got a set of Eibach springs, now.
Tower brace and Adjustable Panhard is next . . . .
Poly bushing is penciled in for next year.
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Quoting: 55starchief
Personaly i wouldnt touch bilsteins nowdays i would go with QA1's
They look the Muts' . . . . . But I want to keep it under $500. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/can.gif)
Same seller I bought mine from....
Have you fitted yours, yet ?
Yep, did them a while back with new springs at the same time.
I changed quite a few things at the same time, so it's difficult to know which parts made the most difference.
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For the (relatively) little extra cost - I think I'll look at adjustables . . .
Long term I think it's the way I'll want to go . . .
So.
Question is . . . what ones ? (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Question is . . . what ones ?
try and get something thats top adjustable on the front
Koni list your car as 8741-1030sport and 30-1265sport so it might be worth calling them up and see what their price is
forget koni they are out of your budget with the fronts at £220+VAT each and the rears at £98+VAT each
Originally I was allowing $300 . . then $400 . . . then . . .
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But I really must keep it below $500 . . . ! (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Tokico Illumina
Now, thanks to Tokico Illumina shocks and struts, changing your suspension firmness is as easy as adjusting your watch. Tokico Illumina shocks and struts feature the same high-end damping technology that goes into each Tokico shock, with precision valves, gas charging, and dual-tube construction. But then the Tokico Illumina goes one step further. An adjustment rod runs through the Tokico Illumina shock or strut body to a small shutter valve that controls oil flow. The other end of the rod pokes through the top of the Tokico Illumina shock or strut rod and contains a dial indicator and screwdriver slot. To change the damping settings on your Tokico Illumina shocks, you simply rotate the adjustment rod one click at a time. There's a tactile detent so you know exactly how far you've adjusted your Tokico Illumina shocks and struts, which is important if you're trying to preserve a certain setup. And that's all that's involved. Tokico Illumina shocks and struts make it incredibly easy to set your car up for the track one day, then change it back to a comfortable interstate setting the next day for the ride home. Endurance isn't affected by the adjustment system, and the Tokico Illumina is already set up for baseline street performance, so you're starting with a high-performance shock before you ever make a single adjustment. Discover the fun of tuning your own vehicle suspension with the Tokico Illumina line of shocks and struts.
Those (Tokiko Illumia) are the ones I intend to buy.
They are used by a lot of road race teams.
Either that or I will go with fixed Bilsteins.
I don't think for what you need RK that you'd get the use out of Adjustables.
Quoting: Fieldy
I don't think for what you need RK that you'd get the use out of Adjustables.
Problem is that his car has been moded beyond the original so adjustables would help with the weight distribution
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
Those (Tokiko Illumia) are the ones I intend to buy.
Well, with you and Pod recomending them - that's me sold ! (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Anyone recommend an adjustable panhard and strut brace (that ties in with the bulkhead) ?
I was looking at an Edelbrock brace but could only find '84 years and onwards . . . . mine's an '83. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
Problem is that his car has been moded beyond the original so adjustables would help with the weight distribution
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Fair point.....Didn't realise that much
Quoting: Fieldy
I don't think for what you need RK that you'd get the use out of Adjustables.
As I said earlier, short term, no . . . but long term . . . . .
[stewie voice]yes, long term I have my plans . . . World domination !!![/stewie voice]
Well, not quite, but kinda.
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Quoting: Roadkill
Anyone recommend an adjustable panhard
I have probably still got most of the necessary bits to make one. All you'd need to do is supply a suitable piece of tube and I could put the ends on for you.
£20?
If it's as simple as that . . . . let me look into a suitable tube.
Does the kit recommend a section ?
By the looks of things if you want to tie the strut towers to the firewall it might need to be a custom piece
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_743944_-1_10069What's the differences between a '83 and '85 ?
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The edelbrock panhard rod says it's 0.84mm wall thickness.
I'll need to check my garage to see if I do still have the bits, and if I do I can give you the required internal diameter.
In the picture on the site that G posted, I'd be doing one like the top one - with rods ends, not poly bushes. (And it won't be Chrome moly either (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif))
Quoting: Roadkill
What's the differences between a '83 and '85 ?
TBI - TPI??
Quoting: Roadkill
What's the differences between a '83 and '85 ?
im guessing the intake, philo would be your man for that question
TPI wasn't until later I though . . . for some reason, apparently, that brace won't fit mine . . (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Strut brace wouldn't be too hard to make either. The only thing I might need that I don't have is a pipe bender if you need any bends put in it.
Quoting: 55starchief
http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F3-suspension.htm
I could spend a lot of money, there . . . (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Well, with you and Pod recomending them - that's me sold !
Erm, I'm actually recommending the Tokico
non-adjustables. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
I know, I was referring to Tokico in general. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Any fabrication work should be done with seamless tubing, Panhard bar is the easiest thing to make but dont use sepherical joints on a camaro
Quoting: Rocky
but dont use sepherical joints on a camaro
Why's that?
Wears out for one thing.
If your going to only use one one end and fit a poly bush the other, they are great for track cars but not on a everyday car on British roads.
Quoting: Rocky
If your going to only use one one end and fit a poly bush the other, they are great for track cars but not on a everyday car on British roads.
Yup we used to break them all the time on the westfield and at £20+ a time it gets expensive. My mom's TR6 has a rose jointed rear swaybar and we have had a couple break on that as well. They just wont take the punishment from british roads
Ordered the Tokico Illumina (adjustables) today.
£220 less shipping. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)
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Quoting: Roadkill
adjustables
Best ask Jamie nicely for some tips on setup and if you can borrow his corner scales then...(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
That'll be next year - this year I'm just spending money but not actually doing alot. (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Where you getting the Illuminas from matey?
And is that for 4?
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
Where you getting the Illuminas from matey?
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
And is that for 4?
Yep.
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These should be reaching Carl on Wednesday . . . . (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
These should be reaching Carl on Wednesday . . . .
How about Tuesday?!?(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
They were delivered a day early, moments ago actually!!(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)
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Let us know when the check arrives.
It'll be like Chrimbo when all that crap arrives here ! (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Shocks went out to you today, finally!!(http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://mkb-cc.yanksrule.co.uk//Forum/smileys/up.gif)
Again, sorry it took so long mate but as I said, i've been sick as a dog for the last week and a half. Still not 100% but feel a lot better than I did a week ago!!
Start looking for them to arrive around the 23rd if not sooner.
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Thanks, Mate.
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